Otvet gospodinu Posevinu: uzh izvinite, esli kak to nepravilno perevyol termin circular migration; podrobnee o etom v Wikipedii i nizhe:
The IOM World Migration Report (2008) defines circular migration as "the fluid movement of people between countries, including temporary or long-term movement which may be beneficial to all involved, if occurring voluntarily and linked to the labour needs of countries of origin and destination". Newland and Agunias identify circular migration as "a continuing, long-term, and fluid pattern of human mobility among countries that occupy what is now increasingly recognized as a single economic space". It denotes "a continuous engagement in both home and adopted countries; it usually involves both return and repetition".
Both definitions are linked to an "economic perspective" and do not really take into account social matters. Both take for granted that circular migration provides a win-win situation for the countries involved as well as for the migrants. The assumption is that migration occurs in a controlled/managed way and that agreements are respected by the parties involved. In a not so positive but more realistic scenario, circularity may be interrupted because of other circumstances like the end of an agreement or the strengthening of borders in the case of de facto circular migration.
The Consortium for Applied Research on International Migration (CARIM), based at the European Universities Institute, insists that circular migration is (or should be) temporary, renewable, circulatory (offering freedom of movement during each term),legal, respectful of migrants' rights, and effective in matching labour supply in one country with labour needs in another.
Circular migration patterns are often categorized by time: temporary and seasonal work migration; and by the skills-level of the workers: low, semi and high skilled migration.
ya vam rekomenduyu posmotret' sait www.mk.gov.lv; tam vi naidyote ne odnu dyuzhinu programm; kstati, u nas i v zakonodatelstve skazano 4to est' opredelyonnij procent iz nacionālais kopprodukts, kotorij uxodit na selskoe xozyaistvo; kazhetsa, eto ne soblyudalos' nikogda; nenado dramatizirovat', net nikakogo bureau, prosto est' programma, a net finansirovaniya i lyudei, kto s etim rabotaet; kazhetsa 1-2 cheloveka na vsyo ogromnuyu diasporu v ministerstve Kulturi i vsyo.
esli koli4estvo voprosov stalo takim malo4islennim, poprobuyu otvetit' na nix:
esli ya uslishu chto nashi politiki soglasilis' na to chtobi v stranu prinimat' vsex etix potencialnix socialnix migrantov, v tot zhe den' sozdam dvizhenie, kotoroe budet borotsa protiv neokolonist4eskix planov Brusselya; ya tak i ne ponyal, po4emu posle yavnix priznakov kollapsa evrozoni nashi politiki ostalis' poslednimi, kto xo4et za lyubuyu cenu popastj na Titanik po nazvaniyu "euro".
Esli mi sami etogo ne dopustim, nikto iz ES nam migracionnuyu politiku ne prodiktuet, dazhe esli mi v dolgu Evropeiskoi Kommissii. A esli na4nyotsa shantazh, estj dostato4no mnogo reshenii, gde nuzhen konsensus. No dlta etogo nuzhni politiki kotorie v pervoe mesto stavit nacionalnie interesi i kotorim naplevat' na zarplati evro4inovnikov.
A pro migraciyu - nenado zabivat' 4to est' vremennaya migraciya - 4elovek priexal, zarabotal dengi i uexal; nelegalno ostalsya - otsidel paru nedel' v tyurme, zaplatil shtraf i uexal. Esli vovremya sozdavat' sistemu, kotoraya sposobstvobvala migraciyu obrazovannix lyudei v latviju i sozdat' mexanizmi chtobi nekvalificirovannie rabo4ie tut naxodilis' v ramkax tak nazivaemoi "cirkulyacionnoi" (izvinite, esli nepravilno perevyol) migracii, to eta sistema budet rabotat'. Esli eto budet po prikazam ES - bardak prodolzhitsa.
Uvazhaemij Mark, da, ya s vami soglasen - bez shirokoi i sistemati4noi programmi obucheniya , shtrafnie meri yavlyaetsa primerom nesbalansirovannoi politiki. S drugoi storoni, esli chelovek poddelivaet apliecība, i za eto ego shtrafuet, eto nazivaetsa narusheniem zakona. Ya dumayu, chto nashi pravie politiki, kotorie vstupaet za bolee zhestokie meri nakazanii, otli4no ponimaet 4to takie shagi im polzu ne prinesyot. Naoborot, pravii elektorat stanet podozritelnim - mol, zachem eto? No kogda ya bil ministrom, mne rasskazivali pro besplatnie kursi v nekotorix gorodax. Etot vopros ne tak odnozna4en, kak mozhet pokazatsa. Vo pervix, mnogie s podozreniem otnositsa k besplatnim kursam, somnevayas' o ka4estve obu4eniya. Vo vtorix, kak pokazivaet praktika, entuziazm padaet s kazhdoi nedelei, i kursi zakan4ivaet lish 10-15% ot tex, kto prishol na pervoe zanyatie. Vsyo, bolshe nebudu otve4at', tut vsem tak mnogo voprosov zadayut?!!!
Vi zadali tak mnogo voprosov, chto ya reshil na etu temu (neokonializm ES i migraciya v Latviyu) napisatj statyu. U menya ploxoe pred4uvstvie 4to posle otvetov koli4estvo vashix voprosv udvoitsa, i mi zakon4im kak radzha Balxeit i ego sovetnik, kogda udvaivabie zern na kazhdom shaxmatnom pole udvaivalos'. Kak pomnite, na 64om pole ix bilo uzhe 264=18 446 744 073 709 551 616.
1. A vi bi sna4ala nemogli bi konkretizirovat' chto vi podruzemali pod terminom "ravnovelikix etni4eskix grupp"?
2. U Elerte vremeni mnogo 4tobi pokazat' svoi rezultati. Ya slishkom neprityazatelnij chtobi upomyanutj vsyo chto sdelal. A latishei dostato4no dolgo integrirovali v mnogonacionalnoe obshchestvo, daite im peredishki.
3. Eto vi pervie ukraincev zatronuli. Pro ekzameni im sprashivaite. Zhelatelno po ukrainski.
4. Nexvataet deneg na takoi dorogoi kompyuter. Je n'ai pas mangé six jours.
Da, ya znayu 4to s shengenskoi vizoi mozhno svobodno peredvigatsa po ES. No pozvolte zametit' 4to UK i Irlandiya ne v Shengene (v otli4ii ot Norvegii Islandii i Shweicarii, kotorie ne v ES, no v Shengenskoi zone). I esli u potencialnogo gastarbaitera net lichnix kontaktov i znanii yazika, to skoree on ostanetsa v toi strane, gde priexal. Uda4i vam.
1. Raskol sushchestvuet, no blagodarya referendumu, on usuglublyaetsa.
2. Na etot vopros ya uzhe otvetil.
3. Net, ya tak nedumayu. No togda oni ne ukrainci, esli nebudet uvazhatj svoi yazik i ne budet ego staratsa ispolzovat' po vozmozhnosti 4ashche.
4. РУССКОЯЗЫ́ЧНЫЙ, -ая, -ое. Относящийся к людям, живущим вне России, для к-рых русский язык является родным или вторым родным языком. Русскоязычное население. Русскоязычные писатели (писатели нерусской национальности, пишущие на русском языке). С.И. Ожегов, Н.Ю. Шведова. Толковый словарь русского языка (онлайн версия). A tak kak ya sei4as pishu na russkom yazike, mogu i nazivatsa russkoyazi4nim pisatelem.
4. esli integrirovannij russkij, po vashemu, zverj, to eto zabluzhdenie, chto v processe integracii on poteryal 4elove4eskie ka4estva.
Ya dumayu 4to iz za nexvatki sredstv eta programma funkcioniruet lish na bumage. Esli 4estno, ne interesovalsya. Komu sei4as legko. Pustj etim zanimaetsa te, kto v parlamente risuet krasnie linii, v pravitelstve za to polu4aet dengi i otvetstvenni za eto.
Spasibo za provokacionnij vopros. Eto otli4naya ideya, videlitj bolee vazhnie statyi i sekundarnie. Tak kak vlastj v rukax naroda, to eto nado opredelit' v referendume.
Normalnie zarplati i migraciya - vzaimosvyazani. Esli budet xoroshie zarplati, vernyotsa gastarbaiteri, i budet i interes u grazhdan drugix stran priexat' rabotatj i zarabativatj. Na dannij moment ya vizhu ne tak mnogo deficita zarplat i posobii, kak deficit nadezhdi. Premyer lish suxo povtoryat cifri, vrode samoe strashnoe pozadi, no kak to neveritsa... a nas4ot belarusa i klyukvi - poprobuite uznat' naskolko legko molodim min4anam polu4it' shengenskuyu vizu.
Esli budut lideri, kotorie k voprosu podoidut otvetstvenno, to eto vozmozhno. Sravnenie Latvii i США nekorrektni. Lu4she posmotrim na drugie evropeiskie strani i ne budem povtoryat' te o6ibki, kotorie oni dopustili. V США tolko 5% imigrantov nizkokvalificirovani (ya negovoryu o nelegalax meksikancev). V Evrope takix - 50%. Kazhdij vtoroi imigrant be zka4estvennogo obrazovaniya. Eto i privodit k ponizheniyu konkurentnosposobnosti Evropeiskixx stran po sravneniyu s monoetni4eskimi stranami kak Yaponiya, Koreya Kitai i drugie.
Esli v rukovodstve strani budut lyudi, kotorie i budet dumat' o biznese, kotorie nebudet lizat' tufli 4inovnikov IMF, to i s ekonomikoi vsyo budet xorosho. Pomnite Bulgakova, pro bardak i kaloshi.
ya sei4as dovolno mnogo vremeni provozhu na Balkanax i drugix mestax, gde mogu podelitsa svoimi znaniyami i vryat li smogu stat' iniciatorom novoi iniciativi. Podpisi biznesmenov ni4ego neizmenit. Nuzhna novaya elita, kotoraya i sama budet soblyudat' principi i drugix zastavit zhit' po tem principam, kotorie pomog Singapuru stat' procvetayushchei strane.
A na kakie misli vas eto podtolknulo? Chto ya bezumno rad, kogda kogo to shtrafuet? Ya posmotrel sait mfa.gov.lv, gde skazano 4to bezplatnoe obu4enie proshli bolshe 4em 55 000 zhitelei Latvii? Kto to skazhet 4to malo, no ya dumayu chto eto dovolno adekvatnoe koli4estvo.
Ya dumayu 4to nado menyatj nalogovuyu politiku; otmenitj vse idiotskie nalogi sluzhebnix avtomashin, snizit' PVN i akciz 4tobi ozhivitj ekonomiku; eto pozor, kogda nashi predprinimateli registriruet biznes v sosednix stranax, potomu 4to ix pravitelstv prosto grabit ix.
Pokupka mozgov (braindrain) budet vozmozhna, kogda na eto budet spros. Ya dumayu chto pri pravilnom rukovodstve strani Latvija mozhet stat' importyorom mozgov, a ne donorom neokolonialisti4eskoi politiki Evropi.
Gorditsa ya mogu tem, chto ya bil pervij ministr, v vremya kotorogo LGTB karneval proshol spokoino i bez incidentov. Ya vstre4alsya s ogrimnim koli4estvom organizacii nacmenshinstv, i esli ne verite, sprosite v Daugavpils, kto iz ministrov integracii bil tam bolshe drugix.Ya razrabotal popravki v Pilsonības likums, 4tobi dat' vozmozhnost' detyam rodivshimsya za predelami Latvii, poluchit' dvoinoe grazhdanstvo. Bila razrabotana programma 4tobi podderzhatj svyazj s uexavshimi. No eto davno i nepravda.
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№296 Оскар Кастенс
→ Аркадий Посевин,
05.02.2012
11:14
Otvet gospodinu Posevinu: uzh izvinite, esli kak to nepravilno perevyol termin circular migration; podrobnee o etom v Wikipedii i nizhe:
The IOM World Migration Report (2008) defines circular migration as "the fluid movement of people between countries, including temporary or long-term movement which may be beneficial to all involved, if occurring voluntarily and linked to the labour needs of countries of origin and destination". Newland and Agunias identify circular migration as "a continuing, long-term, and fluid pattern of human mobility among countries that occupy what is now increasingly recognized as a single economic space". It denotes "a continuous engagement in both home and adopted countries; it usually involves both return and repetition".
Both definitions are linked to an "economic perspective" and do not really take into account social matters. Both take for granted that circular migration provides a win-win situation for the countries involved as well as for the migrants. The assumption is that migration occurs in a controlled/managed way and that agreements are respected by the parties involved. In a not so positive but more realistic scenario, circularity may be interrupted because of other circumstances like the end of an agreement or the strengthening of borders in the case of de facto circular migration.
The Consortium for Applied Research on International Migration (CARIM), based at the European Universities Institute, insists that circular migration is (or should be) temporary, renewable, circulatory (offering freedom of movement during each term),legal, respectful of migrants' rights, and effective in matching labour supply in one country with labour needs in another.
Circular migration patterns are often categorized by time: temporary and seasonal work migration; and by the skills-level of the workers: low, semi and high skilled migration.
№254 Оскар Кастенс
→ bloody mary,
31.01.2012
14:12
№252 Оскар Кастенс
→ Леонард Янкелович,
31.01.2012
14:01
Dobrij denj, uvazhaemij Leonid;
esli koli4estvo voprosov stalo takim malo4islennim, poprobuyu otvetit' na nix:
esli ya uslishu chto nashi politiki soglasilis' na to chtobi v stranu prinimat' vsex etix potencialnix socialnix migrantov, v tot zhe den' sozdam dvizhenie, kotoroe budet borotsa protiv neokolonist4eskix planov Brusselya; ya tak i ne ponyal, po4emu posle yavnix priznakov kollapsa evrozoni nashi politiki ostalis' poslednimi, kto xo4et za lyubuyu cenu popastj na Titanik po nazvaniyu "euro".
Esli mi sami etogo ne dopustim, nikto iz ES nam migracionnuyu politiku ne prodiktuet, dazhe esli mi v dolgu Evropeiskoi Kommissii. A esli na4nyotsa shantazh, estj dostato4no mnogo reshenii, gde nuzhen konsensus. No dlta etogo nuzhni politiki kotorie v pervoe mesto stavit nacionalnie interesi i kotorim naplevat' na zarplati evro4inovnikov.
A pro migraciyu - nenado zabivat' 4to est' vremennaya migraciya - 4elovek priexal, zarabotal dengi i uexal; nelegalno ostalsya - otsidel paru nedel' v tyurme, zaplatil shtraf i uexal. Esli vovremya sozdavat' sistemu, kotoraya sposobstvobvala migraciyu obrazovannix lyudei v latviju i sozdat' mexanizmi chtobi nekvalificirovannie rabo4ie tut naxodilis' v ramkax tak nazivaemoi "cirkulyacionnoi" (izvinite, esli nepravilno perevyol) migracii, to eta sistema budet rabotat'. Esli eto budet po prikazam ES - bardak prodolzhitsa.
№225 Оскар Кастенс
→ Марк Козыренко,
31.01.2012
00:14
№223 Оскар Кастенс
→ Леонард Янкелович,
31.01.2012
00:00
№221 Оскар Кастенс
→ Дмитрий Катемиров,
30.01.2012
23:48
1. A vi bi sna4ala nemogli bi konkretizirovat' chto vi podruzemali pod terminom "ravnovelikix etni4eskix grupp"?
2. U Elerte vremeni mnogo 4tobi pokazat' svoi rezultati. Ya slishkom neprityazatelnij chtobi upomyanutj vsyo chto sdelal. A latishei dostato4no dolgo integrirovali v mnogonacionalnoe obshchestvo, daite im peredishki.
3. Eto vi pervie ukraincev zatronuli. Pro ekzameni im sprashivaite. Zhelatelno po ukrainski.
4. Nexvataet deneg na takoi dorogoi kompyuter. Je n'ai pas mangé six jours.
5. A esli otve4u chto net, eto budet uvyortka?
№219 Оскар Кастенс
→ Vadims Faļkovs,
30.01.2012
23:12
Da, ya znayu 4to s shengenskoi vizoi mozhno svobodno peredvigatsa po ES. No pozvolte zametit' 4to UK i Irlandiya ne v Shengene (v otli4ii ot Norvegii Islandii i Shweicarii, kotorie ne v ES, no v Shengenskoi zone). I esli u potencialnogo gastarbaitera net lichnix kontaktov i znanii yazika, to skoree on ostanetsa v toi strane, gde priexal. Uda4i vam.
№217 Оскар Кастенс
→ Лаокоонт .,
30.01.2012
23:05
inogda mne kazhetsa 4to nekotorie voprosi reshaetsa slishkom primitivno. Ekonomili na yazikovix kursax - tratim na referendum.
№211 Оскар Кастенс
→ Сергей Новиков,
30.01.2012
22:37
№210 Оскар Кастенс
→ Дмитрий Катемиров,
30.01.2012
22:36
1. Raskol sushchestvuet, no blagodarya referendumu, on usuglublyaetsa.
2. Na etot vopros ya uzhe otvetil.
3. Net, ya tak nedumayu. No togda oni ne ukrainci, esli nebudet uvazhatj svoi yazik i ne budet ego staratsa ispolzovat' po vozmozhnosti 4ashche.
4. РУССКОЯЗЫ́ЧНЫЙ, -ая, -ое. Относящийся к людям, живущим вне России, для к-рых русский язык является родным или вторым родным языком. Русскоязычное население. Русскоязычные писатели (писатели нерусской национальности, пишущие на русском языке). С.И. Ожегов, Н.Ю. Шведова. Толковый словарь русского языка (онлайн версия). A tak kak ya sei4as pishu na russkom yazike, mogu i nazivatsa russkoyazi4nim pisatelem.
4. esli integrirovannij russkij, po vashemu, zverj, to eto zabluzhdenie, chto v processe integracii on poteryal 4elove4eskie ka4estva.
№201 Оскар Кастенс
→ Vadim Sushin,
30.01.2012
22:18
Ya dumayu 4to iz za nexvatki sredstv eta programma funkcioniruet lish na bumage. Esli 4estno, ne interesovalsya. Komu sei4as legko. Pustj etim zanimaetsa te, kto v parlamente risuet krasnie linii, v pravitelstve za to polu4aet dengi i otvetstvenni za eto.
№198 Оскар Кастенс
→ Лаокоонт .,
30.01.2012
22:13
Pomnyu 4to na pro100 govoril s odnim umnim russkim pro etu tematiku, sovsem nedavno. Oglasitj vesj spisok?
№197 Оскар Кастенс
→ Эрик Снарский,
30.01.2012
22:10
Spasibo za provokacionnij vopros. Eto otli4naya ideya, videlitj bolee vazhnie statyi i sekundarnie. Tak kak vlastj v rukax naroda, to eto nado opredelit' v referendume.
№194 Оскар Кастенс
→ Vadims Faļkovs,
30.01.2012
22:06
№191 Оскар Кастенс
→ Александр Кузьмин,
30.01.2012
22:00
Esli budut lideri, kotorie k voprosu podoidut otvetstvenno, to eto vozmozhno. Sravnenie Latvii i США nekorrektni. Lu4she posmotrim na drugie evropeiskie strani i ne budem povtoryat' te o6ibki, kotorie oni dopustili. V США tolko 5% imigrantov nizkokvalificirovani (ya negovoryu o nelegalax meksikancev). V Evrope takix - 50%. Kazhdij vtoroi imigrant be zka4estvennogo obrazovaniya. Eto i privodit k ponizheniyu konkurentnosposobnosti Evropeiskixx stran po sravneniyu s monoetni4eskimi stranami kak Yaponiya, Koreya Kitai i drugie.
Esli v rukovodstve strani budut lyudi, kotorie i budet dumat' o biznese, kotorie nebudet lizat' tufli 4inovnikov IMF, to i s ekonomikoi vsyo budet xorosho. Pomnite Bulgakova, pro bardak i kaloshi.
№186 Оскар Кастенс
→ Сергей Новиков,
30.01.2012
21:52
№185 Оскар Кастенс
→ Марк Козыренко,
30.01.2012
21:47
№179 Оскар Кастенс
→ Марк Козыренко,
30.01.2012
21:33
Ya v pereda4e skazal - Linderman i kompaniya. Tam do viborov budet i dostato4no mnogo grazhdan.
№178 Оскар Кастенс
→ Сергей Новиков,
30.01.2012
21:30
Ya dumayu 4to nado menyatj nalogovuyu politiku; otmenitj vse idiotskie nalogi sluzhebnix avtomashin, snizit' PVN i akciz 4tobi ozhivitj ekonomiku; eto pozor, kogda nashi predprinimateli registriruet biznes v sosednix stranax, potomu 4to ix pravitelstv prosto grabit ix.
Pokupka mozgov (braindrain) budet vozmozhna, kogda na eto budet spros. Ya dumayu chto pri pravilnom rukovodstve strani Latvija mozhet stat' importyorom mozgov, a ne donorom neokolonialisti4eskoi politiki Evropi.
№176 Оскар Кастенс
→ Aleksandrs Ļitevskis,
30.01.2012
21:25
Gorditsa ya mogu tem, chto ya bil pervij ministr, v vremya kotorogo LGTB karneval proshol spokoino i bez incidentov. Ya vstre4alsya s ogrimnim koli4estvom organizacii nacmenshinstv, i esli ne verite, sprosite v Daugavpils, kto iz ministrov integracii bil tam bolshe drugix.Ya razrabotal popravki v Pilsonības likums, 4tobi dat' vozmozhnost' detyam rodivshimsya za predelami Latvii, poluchit' dvoinoe grazhdanstvo. Bila razrabotana programma 4tobi podderzhatj svyazj s uexavshimi. No eto davno i nepravda.